an elder confesssed to me the other week that they had an elders meeting and the topic was rasied about how tired the brothers were.
he said "quite frankly, the brothers expected armageddon a long time ago and they are just exhausted".
i then enquired of him "do you think the wtbts keeping us in a permanent state of eschatological expectancy causes strain and stress and tiredness - he said yes.
They are sleep walking.
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They certainly look like ZOMBIES when going door-to-door!
A couple of months ago, a jw couple came to our house. My husband was outside working on a few things
He noticed that the guy gave him a tract and that was about it.
He noted that they just seemed to be going through the motions.
meagan
i've got lots but the one i'ed like right now is... .
curried goat or fish west indian style with basmati rice or lentil filled roti bread.
has anybody ever had lentil filled roti?
Angel hair spaghetti w/ homemade sauce and a bottle of Shiraz
meagan
ok, what's your junk food addiction?.
is it chips, doritos, taco bell or mcds?.
i'm polishing off a bag of doritos as i write this and wondered what other people chow on.... meagan
Taco Bell Mexican Pizzas
and
white cake w/ chocolate frosting (I can eat a whole cake...not in one sitting but over the course of like 2 days )
meagan
you've heard about jesus.. you've choosen to believe or not to believe.. you've accepted jesus or you haven't.. let's say jesus came down now for his people.what would you do or say to jesus if you now know he is true?
(keeping in mind that god is the judge and some people will go to heaven and most will burn in hell!!).
blessedstar
"Do ya want some unleavened bread and wine? I hear there's a lot left at the Kingdom Hall."
hi i'm new to this forum.
i've looked at other websites to and i see all this about the jw's, now i'm not one, i was raised a jw but made my own decision and my parents respected that.
i've read so many horror stories, but my life wasn't like that at all, as a matter of fact, when they first knocked on our door and my mother accepted a study our life changed for ever, it was for the best in many ways.
I'm sure the authorities know how to handle these issues and do so.
You are absolutely right!!!
They do!!
But guess what urs? The JW's as an organization do not teach their followers to go to the authorities.
So what you have are child molesters that should be behind bars but are not, because the Governing Body has covered it up.
As for where do I go? Prayer takes me right to God. If someone wants to pray to YHWH or to Jesus or to Buddha or to Zeus, I don't personally care, but I believe with all my heart that prayer takes me to God.
I come here for support, because I just lost my entire family and friends. My sister and my mother asked and asked and asked why I wasn't going to the meetings, and for the longest time I kept saying, "It's between me and God" they wouldn't let it go, I had to choose, be disfellowshipped or disassociate myself with a trace of dignity. I chose the latter.
As Willow said this is place to come for such support. Sometimes Urs, I feel alone. So alone, I cry. Knowing that another person is out there to talk to helps. Good for you that you still have your mom, your friends. I don't.
The reason why Avishai asked if you had kids, IF you HAVE kids: (as he already asked) what would you do if they were abused? What would you do if the elders told you NOT TO GO TO THE POLICE? OR else you would be disfellowshipped?
Do you realize, that being disfellowshpped is a huge fear for witnesses, because that means they will "be destroyed at Armageddon"?
We are not trying to attack you. This is not a thread about bikinis. This is a thread that you started with questions. we are trying our darndest to answer those questions and help you understand where we are coming from.
Many people believe, that this is a harmless religion. It is not a harmless religion. My purpose is to educate the people around me as to the whole truth of the Organization.
Why?
So no one has to feel as hurt as the people that I have met in this last year.
I am trying to understand Why you are on a jehovah's witness discussion board, that you can clearly see houses many, many people who are trying to heal from the deceptive, harmful tactics of the JW's.
Why are you here?
hi i'm new to this forum.
i've looked at other websites to and i see all this about the jw's, now i'm not one, i was raised a jw but made my own decision and my parents respected that.
i've read so many horror stories, but my life wasn't like that at all, as a matter of fact, when they first knocked on our door and my mother accepted a study our life changed for ever, it was for the best in many ways.
Thank you sKally, thank you very much.
hi i'm new to this forum.
i've looked at other websites to and i see all this about the jw's, now i'm not one, i was raised a jw but made my own decision and my parents respected that.
i've read so many horror stories, but my life wasn't like that at all, as a matter of fact, when they first knocked on our door and my mother accepted a study our life changed for ever, it was for the best in many ways.
I'm not taking the laws into my own hands.
Ok, urs, I'm having a tough time understanding this.
In what way are any of us here, taking the law into our own hands?
Also, you said that it is not your responsibility to uncover lies etc.
Then why have investigators? Why have police? Why have an FBI? Why have a CIA?
Why read the paper? Why watch the news?
Journalists spend their lives uncovering the lies of politicians and governments. Aren't you interested in their lies?
Do you want to support a politician who is a lying pervert? I'm sure that you wouldn't. How would you know if that person is a lier? Because of others who take their right to vote serious enough to know who they're voting for.
In the same sense, before you join a religious group or any organized group of people, wouldn't you Want to know as much as you could about them before you join?
If you were having a tough time getting information, wouldn't you find it helpful to go to people who have put a lot of effort in to getting that information?
I don't understand, Why a person would would not want to uncover lies and deceptions. I don't understand Why a person would say, God doesn't need my help in uncovering lies and deceptions?
You work in a clinic, you help people every day discover the truth about what is going on inside their bodies.
For centuries, medicine was no where near accomplished as it is today. Think of the untruths that people believed for centuries. People believed (and in some places still do) that disease was a punishment from God, they didn't know and understand the concept of bacteria, viruses and genetic disorders.
It was because of a search for truth and ultimately finding it, that people learned where disease comes from.
Searching for truth, and uncovering lies helps people everyday. If you are content with your life, wonderful.
But others, after having certain experiences in their life feel the need to search for truth and not stopping until it is found. And helping others in their search as well.
You are right that you are entitled to your opinion. You don't want your opinion changed. For someone who doesn't want their opinion changed, why are you returning to the topic? As I said, you're always welcome, I'm just curious.
meagan
hi i'm new to this forum.
i've looked at other websites to and i see all this about the jw's, now i'm not one, i was raised a jw but made my own decision and my parents respected that.
i've read so many horror stories, but my life wasn't like that at all, as a matter of fact, when they first knocked on our door and my mother accepted a study our life changed for ever, it was for the best in many ways.
How do you think God feels about people who Know that there are injustices and crimes being committed against people, children and do nothing about it?
If YOU know that the JW's are guilty of things and you do nothing to inform the public, to warn them, to warn your neighbors that this is a religious group that has a very scary history, then why shouldn't God call you to an accounting for letting harmful things take place? If you knew your neighbor was studying and she wasn't getting the whole truth, because they weren't telling her, don't you think she has a right to know before gettting baptized? Wouldn't you want to tell her everything you know?
Ok, you have said more then once that God will take care of it.
Call it God, call it Karma, call it "you reap what you sow": Remember the parable about the Good Samaritan? So many people on this and other forums like this have been pioneers in calling the Society on their false predictions, on their twisted blood policy and their erroneous 2 witness policy. I think I am pretty damned lucky to be reaping the benefits of those that have stood up for what is right and for what is wrong and didn't let the Organization tell them "Wait on Jehovah, He will take care of things in His own time." Had they all done that, we wouldn't have the network of support that we have here.
hi i'm new to this forum.
i've looked at other websites to and i see all this about the jw's, now i'm not one, i was raised a jw but made my own decision and my parents respected that.
i've read so many horror stories, but my life wasn't like that at all, as a matter of fact, when they first knocked on our door and my mother accepted a study our life changed for ever, it was for the best in many ways.
Hey, urs, I'm happy to see you came back.
I'm celebrating my 10th this Feb. The best advice: cut calories and work out. Walk, run, go to a fitness club.
Look, I'm not going to try to change your mind. However, if you ask questions like some of what you have asked, then I hate to say it, you are going to have to try to understand that the answers are not going to be pro-jw, ever!
Many of the people on this board have been outright scarred by the Society.
You say God will take care of things in his time.
Well, let me say this in response to that:
Would you purposely harbor a criminal in your home?
I know for an absolute fact, that not only has the WTS harbored criminals, but that they themselves are criminals.
For years, it was encouraged to kidnap ill children out of hospitals if a blood transfusion was being threatened.
Not only, do I want to have nothing to do with the WTS at this point, but yes, urs, I am going to do my damndest to warn others that when they begin studying with the witnesses, there are things that they should know before hand.
And if I was a person studying, I can honestly say, I would want nothing to do with Any organization that has so much that they are hiding.
Truthfully, you are welcome to stay and check things out. I hope that you do.
We can get along and talk about other things. But you need to understand, no one is making you come back and stay. If you are going to come, you NEED to remember that lives HAVE BEEN DESTROYED.
Whether you have been a victim of their policies or not, these people have. In the same sense that you would not tell a rape victim to just get over it, please don't come around here trying to make us feel guilty for the pain and hurt that we feel that has been inflicted on us by the WTS.
meagan
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ok, we all know that the wts had printed articles re the un within that 10 year time frame.. does anyone have a link to or know exactly what articles they might be?
meagan
THANK YOU! Legolas!
meagan
